Round Table: Q and A Issue 7
Which is more important in a solid breeding program?
Genetic health, temperament, or conformation?
Continued from above
The most import thing for your foundation is to screen for absolutely everything you can screen for! Make sure the foundation behind her is better than you can hope for. Our first breeder, who I am not bashing in any way, she’s a dear friend… but the 3 dogs we got from her were all dysplastic. She “didn’t believe in OFA” at the time, and in her defense, her original breeder and mentor didn’t either. That frame of mind was passed down. Let’s just say, it stopped here. I can look closer later, and hopefully (Mentor 2) feels more windy.
Mentor 2: Hi there. It should be a very nice litter to consider! When choosing a puppy, pay particular attention to top line. Also, as (Mentor 1) indicated, make sure all health checks are acceptable. The sire has produced quite nicely, and the dam is a pretty girl with a good pedigree.
Breeder: Thank you both for your great input! So, I’ve reached out to the breeder and asked for health clearances, and this is what we have. The sire, Dallas, PRA (rcd4) : Clear – 30th March 2011 Hip Score: 6/4 = 10 – 19th August 2010. DNA Cert PRA CLEAR 2011 and CEREBELLAR DEGENERATION. The dam, Stormy, PRA (rcd4) : Carrier – 11/2023 Hip Score: HD-C I don’t quite understand the hips, if that means clear or affected. I do see that the female is a carrier for PRA, but my logic is that the puppy has a 50 50 chance of being clear, plus by breeding that puppy to a free male, you decrease the chances even further. Is my logic correct?
Mentor 1: Your logic is correct, and we took that gamble twice and are having a very hard time getting to the brighter side of that 50%! Our keepers keep being carriers.
Mentor 2: The British Veterinary Association (BVA) hip score for the sire, Dallas is a reflection (sum) of each hip score from 0-53. The mean for the breed in the UK is 10. He has good hips coming in at 10, which is the exact mean for the breed. The dam is scored by the IFC system and was HD-C. These are “breedable” hips allowed by the European kennel club, but are borderline or mild for hip dysplasia. It was a good choice to go to Dallas for improvement in the next generation. This is important to note. Hips are awkward to discuss because there are so many factors that can affect their development….i.e. environment- floor surface, exercise, diet, polygenetics, etc. Knowing the hood scores of the dams parents and grandparents would be a good idea. You are correct regarding the rcd4 carrier status of the dam. Because of the genetic test for this form of PRA, we simply make informed choices moving forward (simple autosomal recessive). Some breeders will send the PRA test from their puppies so buyers insisting on a clear pup can be reassured. I would tend to be happy with my choice of puppy vs it’s carrier status….i.e. I’d rather have the best conformation and will deal properly if the puppy turned out to be a carrier. I should also note that we have multiple forms of PRA in this breed and have only one genetic test for the late onset variety called RCD4. Breeding animals should also be physically examined for any signs of the other types of PRA before breeding. If this is not making sense or if you need more, I’m happy to chat on the phone as well.
Breeder: Awesome, thanks for your advice and mentorship!
I want to take the time to thank Steven and the crew at The Dog Journal for what they do. I feel like we are at a time where having quality dogs matters more than ever, and they can be hard to find. The next challenge, after we have found and are producing our dream puppies, is to get them in front of the right people. While I recognize from a seller’s point of view, it can be discouraging to advertise and not get any calls. However, even though no one wants to spend much right now, we as professional breeders all dream of a magazine where we can browse and find top quality specimen of our favorite breed. Lets support The Dog Journal!
Answered by: Mathew Hochstetler
What happened to TDJ Buyer’s Guide?
TDJ Buyer’s Guide is being reworked and renamed, now being called the Canine Marketplace. The booklet will be the same size as the Buyer’s Guide, and will also include any ad you want to place, from stud service, to industry ads, and beyond. What will change is the fact that the Canine Marketplace will no longer go with The Dog Journal, but will hit over 80,000 homes separately, three times a year! Yes, that’s right, 80,000 plain homes, three times a year. The mission for the Canine Marketplace is just what it sounds like. It’s to offer everyone that’s got anything to share with the canine industry a marketplace to showcase it on. We will even be offering directory listings, for as low as $99.00 a year! So, why the changes? Well, we discovered the Buyer’s Guide concept is a valuable and great concept, but it needs to be separate from The Dog Journal, and it needs to go to a lot more people. So, reach out to [email protected] or call him at 484-798-0038 to get your business, stud, or puppies in front of 80,000 people.
Answered By: The Dog Journal
As a Maltese breeder, I have always had a struggle to find quality breeding stock. The many Maltese I have looked at in numerous states seem to share the same breed standard deviation. A head that is too narrow, and a nose that is too long. I was discussing this with Stacy Mason from AKC, and so she stopped in and looked at my stock. Comparing them to the breed standard, she agreed that it is a common theme she sees in commercial kennels. Their owners were chasing things like black points, icy white coats, or some other traits, while losing the overall typy look. She felt that the show breeders held a lot of the key genetics that we needed to make improvements. She gave me a list of names and numbers and some suggestions.
I started calling some of these show people and soon discovered that the show dog world is a close-knit group. The chance of selling puppies to a breeder that they never heard of before, and who they did not know would even show the puppies they were buying, was unheard of. I soon had my list exhausted with no prospects in sight.
A few months later I heard that my friend from Daviess County had imported 2 Maltese from Ukraine. I had never considered that angle, so I called him to find out more. After talking to him, I discovered that there are people who search for and import dogs for a living. He was really happy with his two males, one was a 6-month-old puppy, and the other was a year old. They had the wide faces, short noses, and black points that breeders look for. He was actually looking at another litter with two males in it, and he wanted oner of them. We made an agreement that I would take one, if he tool care of the arrangements.
A few weeks later, a nanny showed up outside our house at 2:00 AM with two little fluff balls, and we were in business. A few weeks after that, I got a call from a lady named Patricia who was looking for some Maltese females. I had some that she was interested in, so we set up an appointment. She picked out two females and we agreed on a pickup date. She loved to talk, and I soon discovered that she had been a show breeder! She knew a lot of people in the show world. I told her how I had to import a male because we were unable to get any show breeders to sell to us.
She was surprised to hear that, and offered to get a puppy for us if we wanted her to. I was intrigued at the thought, and before she left, she made a few phone calls and lined up a breeder who had puppies for sale. I couldn’t believe my luck! Even though I had never met her before, she seemed to be excited to be of assistance and introduced me to the breeder as a friend who was looking for a good quality male puppy. I spoke with the breeder and we talked about what I was looking for in a puppy. She agreed to send Patricia some pictures.
When Patricia picked up her puppies, she showed me the pictures the breeder had sent her. I was impressed with one of the puppies and we agreed on a price. When the puppy was ready to go, I paid the breeder through cash app and Patricia met her halfway to pick up the puppy. I called the breeder a few days later to discuss the puppy and to tell her we are very happy with him. I thanked her for the opportunity to purchase him, and then asked if she knew we were Amish commercial breeders. She admitted that she had suspected we might be, but she knew Patricia and trusted that any of her friends would be ok to sell to as well. We ended the conversation on a good note. She invited us to reach out if we ever need another puppy, and she would do her best to help us. She has been true to her word and we have bought several puppies from her in the years since. I realize that most breeds have an excellent gene pool among our plain circles. In these cases top quality stock can be obtained, by visiting different operations and picking out stock to meet your goals. However, if you can’t find the quality you’re looking for, check into importing, or maybe with a little luck, you might be able to connect with a show breeder as well!
Answered By: Jerry Miller
How Do I Avoid Scam Buyers?
A few ways to avoid scams from buyers is to first recognize the red flags that are often associated with scams. A few of those scams for payments in general are but not limited to the buyer not wanting to speak on the phone, not want to know about the puppy, may send extra money, stating a personal nanny is picking up the puppy, wanting the puppy shipped within a day or two, and are adamant about organizing their own shipper. A few more for specifically online payments is that a complete payment is placed without the buyer contacting you first, a different person is picking up the puppy then what placed the payment, and the puppy is not being shipped to the address on the order. Here and as follows are a few ways you as a seller can not only recognize but prevent said scams from happening. The first scam I want to point out is a buyer using fake cash. We recommend having a cash marker available when a cash payment is being made. This is a cheap and easy way to avoid a scam. Another scam we see in today’s market is someone wanting to buy a puppy with a check or cashier’s check and may even be made out to more than the asking price. Often what happens in a payment like this is the customer wants to get you hooked so they tell you the extra money is a tip or to pay for the shipper. The banks may not know for days or even up to a few weeks that the check is not worth anything. By then the puppy may be long gone. The next common scam I want to point out is that the customer is looking for a quick transaction, often placing the full payment for the puppy right away with very few questions or may not even contact you first about the puppy. Often in this case the customer wants the puppy shipped within the next day or two which may be the result of stolen credit card information. The buyer will want to try and make a transaction before the cardholder realizes their credit card is missing and cancels it. The buyer may be pushy in this case as well. What we recommend is having at least a down payment made to hold the puppy and closer to the date of the puppy being picked up or shipped have the final payment made but have all payments made one or more business days ahead of a puppy leaving for its new home. This gives more time for payments to settle successfully ensuring you have the money secured. One thing we recommend to help in scam free transactions is Consumer Safety Group. Consumer Safety Group is dedicated to safe transactions ensuring that your payments are safe, easy, and secure. The orders are placed online to Consumer Safety Group and each order is checked to verify that the transaction is valid and not a scam then that money is paid out to the sellers through direct deposit.
Answered By: Consumer Safety Group
What are the best products for flea and tick prevention on dogs?
What protects dogs from fleas, ticks and mosquitoes? Prior to starting your pet on any preventative medication it is important that they have been seen by your veterinarian. You can discuss with your vet what product is best for your pet. If you have a breeding or pregnant dog it is important to note that not all medications are safe.
How to Protect My Dog or Cat from Fleas and Ticks
Many products on the market will protect your pet from both fleas and ticks. Bravecto is a topical product that can be dosed every 12 weeks which helps with compliance. Another good option are products like Frontline Plus for dogs and cats that are placed topically on the pet every month. Both options are safe to use on breeding and pregnant dogs.
How Do I Stop Mosquitoes From Biting My Dog or Cat
Heartworm is transmitted to your pet by mosquito bites. Your veterinarian will do a simple blood test to check your pet for heartworm prior to starting them on a prescription medication. Active drug ingredients such as sarolaner, ivermectin, moxidectin and milbemycin have been tested and are safe in pregnant and breeding pets. You will want to avoid giving these medications during the first trimester of pregnancy. Good heartworm prevention choices include Heartgard Plus for Dogs, Heartgard Feline, Iverhart Plus for Dogs, and Sentinel to name a few. Revolution is also a good choice, and it offers protection against fleas, ticks, mites and heartworm.
Generally, a veterinarian will recommend treatment year round for the prevention of deadly diseases like Lyme’s disease, heartworm, and flea infestations. This mainly is because most southern areas are never cold enough to kill all of these disease carrying pests. Many veterinarians will require your pet to have a heartworm test done on a yearly basis. Not all medications are 100% effective, and it is important to make sure the drug has been working. Missing a dose of their preventative puts your pet at risk and if not tested prior to resuming the medication can put your pet in danger.
Flea, Tick and Heartworm Prevention for Dogs and Cats
So what prevents fleas, ticks and heartworm? If giving your pet multiple medications is a concern, there are several products available that cover heartworm, fleas and ticks all in one dose. This can be helpful for dogs or cats that struggle taking medication. Using a flea, tick and heartworm pill or topical can also sometimes be more cost effective. If you’re looking for a 3 in 1 flea, tick and heartworm, consider Revolution for dogs, Simparica Trio for dogs, Nexgard Plus for dogs, Revolution Plus for cats or Nexgard Combo for cats.
If you have a question about any of the products mentioned, call a Revival Animal Health Pet Care Pro at 800.786.4751.
Note: Many heartworm preventatives contain ivermectin; however, caution is advised when using ivermectin with breeds that have the MDR1 gene concerns. Studies have shown dog breeds such as collies, Shelties and breeds that have collie and Sheltie genetics in them, have a higher sensitivity to the effects of ivermectin. The only way to know if a dog has the mutant MDR1 gene is to have the dog tested. If concerned about this it is best to discuss this with your veterinarian.
Answered By: Lori S., Pharm D. at Revival Animal Health
Which is more important in a solid breeding program?
Genetic health, temperament, or conformation?
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